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Because the extreme right is so blatantly unconstitutional, because – A story that gave me hope was
perverse, but so intelligently perverse, she proposes the submission of the that of the flat-earther who, through
that it thrives because it appropriates secular state to religion. It is about personal experience, discovered that
two differentiating characteristics of the submission of the state and the earth is round. Do the Bolsonaristas
the human condition. See, if we talk public policies to the doctrine it with whom you would sit at the table
about human, we necessarily talk about defends. And you realize that there have this perspective of overcoming
narrative. There is no human group comes a time when the cultural war things?
contacted by anthropologists that does is no longer enough, because the Yes, I was inspired too! As for the
not have a special way of describing a category it brought to deal with Bolsonarists, I must express myself
world, of describing themselves, the this is the category of evil. Evil is better here. I propose that we make a
origin of things. It is the narrative as the a fascinating question, which is at distinction between Bolsonaro voters
very essence of the human. Secondly, the origin of Dostoevsky’s Crime and Bolsonarists. A Bolsonarista is
finiteness. That is, the awareness that and Punishment . It›s fundamental someone who, for example, idolizes
we have that we are, yes, beings for in Brothers Karamazov too. How Carlos Brilhante Ustra, who is sexist,
death. The extreme right uses both to understand it in its essence, in homophobic, transphobic, who has no
things in a very perverse way. In the its radicality? It is a philosophical, concern with equality in any instance
pandemic, finitude failed. The cultural literary and theological question. Evil and who always believes in the law of
war stopped being a dispute over as a category has no place in politics. the strongest. For this reason, he is
narrative and became a way of life. It is Because politics is the art in the polis an ardent supporter of armaments.
not enough to dispute narratives about of negotiating differences. Bringing With these people, it is very difficult to
the number of deaths, it is necessary the category of evil into politics is think about dialogue, because there are
to take a chloroquine kit. The narrative radically denying politics. This is to practically only differences. And these
about coffins buried with stones is say that what is desired is a state people are not necessarily interested
not enough, it is necessary to wear a that has a theocratic character and in listening to something that is not
mask in a deliberately wrong way, on a fundamentalist vocation. It is the a reflection of their convictions. But
the forehead, on the chin and never on cultural war finally transformed into I believe that in the 58 million votes
the respiratory tract. The cultural war a spiritual battle. It›s no small threat. that Bolsonaro received on October 30,
was losing its place in life. 2022, not even 20% fit into this category.
– And what about art in this And I say based on something very
– Does it surpass itself through battle? concrete. The moment of greatest
its own radicality? Nobody knows the answer. What decline in Bolsonaro’s popularity during
Yes. It takes on a religious character. I’ve been thinking is that we need a the pandemic, he fell precisely to 20%
double perspective: short, medium approval from the electorate, when
– We’ve reached tire lovers… and long term. What I am going to neo-Pentecostal support became
And to those who seek help from aliens. say now is not understood by many, decisive for him to maintain any political
Do you remember how they used to but it is life. I really want to be able possibility. And I differentiate these
place their cell phones horizontally to talk to Bolsonaro supporters at a Bolsonaro supporters from the eventual
over their heads? You know why? table soon. Preferably, as Deleuze Bolsonaro voter. This is someone who
Because, if it were vertical, how would said, at a round table, which is the is unhappy with the system, or a radical
the aliens read the SOS request?! table proper to philosophy. In the anti-pT member, or someone whose
Cognitive dissonance in vein. The medium and long term, education, daily life has not really improved much
same thing happened in the United art and literature will be unavoidable. in recent years. Because there is a real
States. Support is now less the But in the short term, for the medium difficulty in the daily lives of the most
worship of a political myth and more and long term to be possible, for the vulnerable people in Brazil. With these,
the veneration of the religious leader. generous perspective to have time to I believe, it is possible to talk. Talking,
The Economist magazine published develop, I only see one alternative: the however, does not mean that they will
an article at the beginning of the year rigor of the law. If there is no rigorous become left-wing voters. They have
saying that the majority of Trump›s punishment for the organizers of every right to be right-wing, center-
supporters believe that he is chosen the coup, financiers, military police, wing, liberal. The problem only arises
by God. generals who acted by action or when dialogue becomes unfeasible
omission, we will return to the eternal due to the other’s intention to eliminate
– In a way, did this happen at dilemma of the unresolved memory of everything that is not the mirror. But
the Paulista demonstration, including the 1964 military dictatorship. That is, I will repeat: for this to be possible in
this passing of the baton from Jair how the military were never punished the short term, a rigorous perspective
Bolsonaro to Michelle Bolsonaro? because they imposed blackmail to is strictly indispensable. Especially in
Yes. Something very symptomatic: allow redemocratization, the amnesty a country that has such an unresolved
many deputies and former ministers of August 1979. If this is repeated now, memory of the military dictatorship,
were barred. Mário Frias, Ricardo they will return much stronger in 2026. a country that was not able – even
Salles, Júlia Zanatta, Carla Zambelli, Without this rigorous perspective, the during redemocratization – to judge the
Bia Kicis, Osmar Terra did not join delusion of the Bolsonarist extreme crimes committed by the armed forces
the electric trio: all those who are right will not know the fundamental during the dictatorship. In this sense,
radically Bolsonarists from the point point for its overcoming, What a reality an amnesty today, in 2024, would only
of view of the cultural war. Those who check! Those who are now facing very reinforce the coup and authoritarian
rose have a stronger association with serious sentences have understood, in tendency of these same armed forces
neo-Pentecostalism, with religion. the most traumatic way possible, that and all civilians who actively supported
Michelle Bolsonaro’s speech is the world is not limited to WhatsApp. the coup movement.
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