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folklore, even in a bad sense. Folklore in the   indigenous culture, the legitimate popular   Well, then I saw it. He would tie that
            sense of diminishing cultural and scientific   culture of the indigenous people.  canoe to one of those tussocks, and, in this
            importance. And that is a fallacy. We don’t   I realized that all the great texts, the   alliance with nature, he would lie down on
            have folklore in Brazil. What was cataloged   theses that I know and everything about   his back, resting. Towed by the periantã,
            as Brazilian folklore is the folklore brought   the Amazon and the application of the   it continued its journey calmly, floating,
            by the colonizer, which was incorporated   Amazon as a reason for theory, I think are   or bubbling in the waters, as they say in
            and, let’s say, superimposed on the culture   by European authors, sociologists and   riverside language. Without needing to
            that already existed here. To indigenous   anthropologists. Who apply their matrices   make an effort to row, once towed by the
            culture, above all. It was yet another form   to study the place, instead of studying the   floating islet you will get where you want
            of cultural and religious domination. But   place to create a matrix of it. Recognize   without wasting your energy uselessly. He
            folklore, in fact, in the scientific and   that there is also a thought in place. There   keeps thinking, remembering his stories,
            linguistic sense of the word, we don’t   is also a reflection of its own. There is   what he wants to do.
            have, what we have is popular culture.   also a life experience reflected by art and   This would be a kind of attitude of not
            It’s a shame that, when the so-called   mythology.                  wasting your energy when in alliance with
            folklorist current became established in                            nature. And it’s not even during idle time.
            Brazil, af er the Modern Art Week and    – Yes. You teach at the university.   By freeing yourself from work, you create
            from 1930 onwards, when they began to   How, through education, would it be   an opportunity for another type of work.
            take a scientific interest in searching for   possible to expand and respect these   Thus, I thought that bubuiar, going
            original differences across regions, in   experiences?               bubuia, dibubuiar, dibubuismo, revealed
            discovering Brazilian folklore, as in the   There  are  no  studies  of  Amazonian   the intercurrence of external action with
            case of Câmara Cascudo himself , who is   issues in the education system. The vast   the interior, navigation and daydreaming,
            a great researcher of this, an admirable   majority of private schools now belong to   a symptom of an attitude revealing the
            figure, made many mistakes in relation to   large national groups, which come with   intelligent coexistence of the native with
            the Amazon, because he never came here.   handbooks already created with pre-  the environment and I decided to call this
            He, for example, catalogs Pássaro Junino,   established models.     act dibubuismo. Dibubuismo differs from
            which is a popular theater, set to music,   It’s  not  just  us  creating  “inter-  “creative leisure” [a concept created by
            created by the people here, as folklore,   pretations”, thinking that, by drinking   the Italian Domenico De Masi] because
            perhaps confused with the idea of   the   from this source, very original things will   it is not a reaction to practical work. It
            Northeastern Boi Bumbá and everything   emerge. No. I, for example, think that   is a compatible alternation with it and
            that is European folklore implanted in the   on these university campuses that are   a harmonizing partnership with nature.
            Northeast.                        spreading across the State, everyone,   No  one  could  ever  do  that  with  a
                                              whether Federal or State, is starting to   chainsaw. No one could ever do that to
               – Why?                         generate dissertations and theses from   a ship. Never. So, this was, let’s say, the
            Because  it  wasn’t  created  by  the   people who live in the right place, who   genesis, the origin, let’s say, experiential,
            northeastern people!              belong, who speak pure, things that they   of the construction of this concept.
                                              like, that they love, that they believe in, that
               – O Boi bumbá?                 reveal an experience from which countless   amazon biennial emílio goeldi museum
            The Boi bumbá, no, it came with the   contents could be developed.  [pages 42 to 49]
            Portuguese, it came with the Spanish   And delve deeper into Amazonian   (ALMOST) MAGICAL
            who already had similar demonstrations   culture, in a poetics of imagination in
            there. So, the ox, ours, has its variants,   dialogue with “world culture”. I understand  WORLD
            for example, here we have an ox that is   Amazonian culture as something that   Institution from Pará holds one of the
            from the city of São Caetano de Odielas,   lives today, not as a history of the past.   largest and oldest collections of Amazonian
            which is just choreographic, which has   Something that happened, no. I think she   archeology in Brazil and the world
            no plot, which is as if they were pierrôs   lives in dialogue with the current world,   by patricia rousseaux
            and colombinas . In clothing, the color   and it is through this dialogue that she
            is the ox, there is music, there is its own   still shows her living presence.  on the occasion of our visit to the
            choreography, but there is no plot, there                        Bienal das Amazônias, in November 2023,
            is no speech. This (the bumbá) is not an    – And the idea of   “dibubuism”, how   in Belém de Pará, we had the opportunity to
            ox, it is choreographic, because we know   did it come about?    enter an almost magical world, built by the
            who invented it, we know the people who   In these contemplations of mine, I saw   work of teams dedicated to the research and
            continued cultivating and raising other   passing, and I was not young, already as   conservation of a substantial part of the history
            oxen that were similar, calling the ox a   an adult, in the Lower Amazon, pieces of   of the Amazon. Brazil, not only supported
            mask. Because people go masked. That   land displaced from the bank by the force   by documentation, but also by hundreds of
            ox, for example, from Parintins, what is a   of the river during the flood, which became   remains collected by specialist archaeologists
            technological ox?                 a small island. A floating island with trees,  – excavators, which revealed an ancient wealth.
               An ox that conquered the world is not   with tussocks, trunks of an açaí tree [açaí   The Museu Paraense Emílio Goeldi is a
            folklore either. It has roots, of course, but   palm], with snakes and also with herons   research institution linked to the Brazilian
            it is a variant with a defined author, with   that will land on them.  Ministry of Science, Technology, Innovations
            people who created it and has another   I saw that of en the canoeist who was   and Communications. It is located in the city
            structure  and  everything.  So  there   paddling towards his work or to get to the   of Belém, State of Pará, Amazon region. Since
            is a need, for example, to distinguish   city, for example, to buy things and return,   its foundation in 1866, its activities have
            ourselves in the southern regions. It is   or to go to the place where he could fish,   focused on the scientific study of the natural
            more the folklore brought by the migrant   in short, coincided with find, going in the   and sociocultural systems of the Amazon, as
            colonizer. Yes it is. I cannot say that, for   same direction, one of these marapatá or   well as the dissemination of knowledge and
            example, indigenous culture was folklore,   periantã,  which is the indigenous name.  collections related to the region.

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