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Gustavo Caboco Wapichana, to Venice. Ka›a   Pataxó,  who  is  from  Bahia,  Gustavo   When that happened, I was lef  with this
          Pûera is the name for a large area of   forest that   Caboco, who is Wapixana, from Roraima.   “cosmo-agony” (laughs). I didn’t have
          is in the process of regeneration af er being   It is a very intense geography, territorially.   what people call “evidence”, I only had
          burned or used as crops or pasture.  Occupying  these  spaces  puts  the   this authorization from the Enchanted.
           The exhibition in Italy also foresees that the   indigenous population in the spotlight,   So I went af er it. Af erwards, Fernanda
          Brazilian Pavilion in the Giardini della Biennale   makes it clear that indigenous peoples are   Liberti (photographer and visual artist)
          will be renamed the Hãhãwpuá Pavilion (the   being swallowed up by a very aggressive   arrived in the village and brought me a
          Pataxó name that was used to describe Brazil   dynamic. Help them see the indigenous   book called  The River Before the River ,
          before the Portuguese sighting). According   presence.                by Rafael Freitas Silva (Editora Relicário,
          to the Fundação Bienal de São Paulo, Célia                            2021). On the cover of this book there is a
         Tupinambá’s exhibition to be installed in    – Next week, you will show the   woman in an illustration, a woman wearing
          Italy addresses “issues of marginalization,   Tupinambá Cloak that you made at the   the cloak with a child on her back. It›s
          deterritorialization and violation of territorial   Moreira  Salles  Institute,  on  Avenida   a woodcut. This image, of the woman
          rights, inviting reflection on resistance and the   Paulista,  in  São  Paulo.  What  is  the   wearing a cloak, I later looked at three
          shared essence of humanity, birds, memory   importance of the Tupinambá Mantle in   other drawings again. In another drawing,
          and nature”, which integrates it into the general   these itineraries?  she wore the cloak, skirt and maraca. Later
          theme of the 60th International Art Exhibition –   For this activity I am inviting relatives.   on, (anthropologist) Daniela Alarcon and
          La Biennale di Venezia:  Foreigners Everywhere    So there’s Pankararu, Pankararé, Guarani,   I ended up finding this material. But there
          (Foreigners everywhere).            Tukano. The mantle brings this space for   was still little trace. In 2022, when I was in
           Born in 1982 in the Tupinambá village of Serra   dialogue and rupture, we tend to encounter   Denmark, the mantle spoke to me.
          do Padeiro, in Olivença, in the south of Bahia,   tensions, challenges. And it’s not just Célia
          Célia is a master’s student in Anthropology   Tupinambá, it’s a historical burden, and    – Does the cloak speak to you when
          at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro   these alliances, this being with relatives   you are near it?
          and headed the negotiations to repatriate to   (serves) to see what situation they are in,   When I’m around him, he talks to me, and
          Brazil, in 2024, the Manto Tupinambá, which is   what places they are. So, it is important   he told me he was feminine. I already had
          currently in the National Museum of Denmark,   and fundamental that the presence of the   this proof, having seen the cloak being
          in Copenhagen. During the colonization of   mantle makes people think, re-elaborate   used by six to seven women, and each
          Brazil, the cloaks of the Tupinambá became   other conceptions. Being with relatives,   texture of the cloak was different. In 2023,
          objects of barter, looting or negotiations,   because  of  possible  dialogues,  is   I was at the Palace of Versailles, in France,
          and their construction technology was lost   important, just as it is important for the   and in the Royal Hall we saw this illustration
          in time. She relearned how to make the cloak,   mantle to be in movement so that people   of a work that represented the continents.
          becoming the first woman to construct such   can understand another logic. The Manto   On the South American continent there
          an artifact in more than 400 years.  is a provocative body.           was a woman wearing the Tupinambá
           On November 25th and 26th, the zum Festival,                         Cloak. The people who were with us said
          organized by the Instituto Moreira Salles     –  You  made  the  first  Manto   to me: “Ah, Célia, but this cloak has a Greek
          photography magazine, brought together   Tupinambá in 2006. This is already 17 years   touch”. And I said, “Does that change the
          artists, photographers and researchers for   old. How many more did you do af er that   fact that it’s a woman?” In the imagination
          conversations, workshops, exhibitions, fairs   first one?              of Hans Staden (1525-1576), the cloak is
          and other free activities. The event, which   I made two more. The one I’m going to   only used by shamans, and we know that
          has reached its 8th edition, took place at the   present now is the female cloak, there’s   it was also used by chiefs. It is the shaman
         ims headquarters in São Paulo (Av. Paulista,   a difference. The first one I made from an   and the Tupinambá society around him
         2424), and was highlighted by an action by   image, an image I saw of the mantle that   and the mantle. But when we found these
          Célia Tupinambá. Glicéria Tupinambá gave   is in Denmark. So it’s an approximation,   images, we came full circle to six women
          the following interview to  arte!brasileiros:  you couldn’t see the plot, it was too full   wearing the cloak. The last one was on
                                              of feathers. In 2018, when I saw a cloak   the map I saw of Atlantic France, which
               – The ibge Census, recently released,   in France, and soon af er, another cloak   has an illustration with another woman
          reported that the indigenous population   in Switzerland, in Basel, I started trying   wearing the cloak. Then I realized that
          in Brazil today represents 0,83% of the   to  understand  the  mesh.  There  is  a   the cloak was feminine.
          total number of Brazilians, around 1,7   cloak there in Basel that is more worn,
          million people. And it is a very diverse   you can see the mesh perfectly. My idea    – How many Tupinambá Cloaks are
          representation, there are groups with   was to understand the heart and bone   there in the world today?
         12 individuals and others with 20, 30   of the mantle. I previously tried to get   There are 11 mantles. They are in Brussels,
          thousand people. Is it too complicated   my great-aunts to teach me their way of   Copenhagen and Basel. There are also
          to go to Venice representing all this   making the cloak. But they told me that,   many Tupinambá objects in the cabinets
          diversity?                          as I had already dreamed of the mantle,   of curiosities. In France, there is an axe, a
            It depends on what point of view you’re   I already knew how to do it, there was   club, a hammock. That week in Versailles
            talking about. Because, if you think that   nothing to teach. So I took their advice and   was very intense, we saw a lot of things
            Brazil is indigenous territory, and if you   made the first cloak, which is now in the   in France, and the Tupinambá memory
            think that this percentage that ibge raised,   National Museum in Rio de Janeiro. It was   was very strong. It was then that I had
            trying to demarcate this presence, these   incorporated from the traveling exhibition   this confirmation of how the Tupinambá
            populations trying to resist, trying not   Os Primeiros Brasileiros, curated by João   people were received. In the historical
            to be swallowed... Well, I’m going to   Pacheco de Oliveira, in 2021. In 2020, I   narrative, we never had a political place of
            represent the indigenous people. But it   made the second mantle, which was for   equality, but the various representations
            has an immense partnership with other   my brother, who is chief Babau of the   of indigenous people that I could see, and
            Indigenous Nations, such as Denilson   Tupinambá people. It was then that the   one of them is an exclusive fresco, things
            Baniwa, who is from Amazonas; Arissana   cloak told me that it was made by women.   that we had never seen, demonstrate that

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