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managed by the institute, in the possibilities for action in the
perspective of participation elaboration, implementation and – Recently, iphan exonerated
and social compliance by Ibram monitoring of sectoral policies will 18 superintendents from almost all
and Brazilian museums in the be expanded. states in the country. This mega-
resumption of democracy. exoneration shows that there was
Recently, Ibram’s structure a generalized contamination in the
What is the main orientation of transferred one of its linked historical heritage, doesn’t it?
the new Ministry of Culture for museums, Professor Mello Leitão Leandro Grass – We had a group
conducting national policy on Museum of Biology (mnpml), to of superintendents who were not
museums within Ibram’s structure? the management of the Ministry of at all in tune with the required
Ibram has autonomy to manage Science, Technology and Innovation, technical training, with the
its 30 museum units. On March 2) within the scope of the National principles of heritage republicanism,
the first MinC Strategic Planning Institute of the Atlantic Forest. with references that were very
Seminar was held, in which Will this understanding of the disconnected from national policies.
challenges and priorities for public scope of each institution persist To give you an idea, there were
cultural policies were outlined, in your management or will there people with a monarchist profile,
bearing in mind that the work of be a review of the scope of each that is, anti-republicans, as well
secretariats and related parties museum with these characteristics as people completely alien to the
will take place in a common sense. (of biology, for example)? sector, digital media influencers,
The main orientation articulated in This transfer was carried out in 2014, as well as others linked to local
this Seminar was the resumption in view of political negotiations at the churches. These people were
of democracy, dialogue and social time, considering the profile of the there by a political arrangement
participation in the construction of museum and its management. The of these churches. They were
public policies and the appreciation scope of the collection and profile of disconnected from the technical
of culture. Ibram museums was defined in past staff and training related to heritage.
administrations. Any changes that This first wave of dismissals was to
There are museums undergoing may arise in the current context will give a first substantial adjustment,
reconstruction in the country, such be the subject of debate between to replace technicians, specialists.
as the National Museum, whose institutions, management and Now, there will be a second wave of
reopening is only scheduled for 2027. society, considering technical and the management area. We replaced
How will Ibram act to coordinate social aspects. practically all the superintendents,
the reconstruction efforts of that there are only two lef .
institution? new public policies interview [pages 22 and 23]
Ibram does not interfere with IPHAN WILL And which states are these two
museums that have their own from?
management, such as the RESCUE TECHNICAL Alagoas and Paraná.
National Museum, which is linked PERFORMANCE
to the Federal University of Rio de Leandro Grass took over the Institute in Another visible aspect of the
Janeiro. We will act as partners, January and is promoting the renovation of deterioration of the federal heritage
meeting the demands presented all governmental cultural institutions service was the substantial loss
by the institution, within institutional by jotabê medeiros of resources. Is it possible to say
possibilities. how big the loss was in the last
leandro grass, professor, sociologist four years?
what are the priorities of Ibram’s and master in sustainable development, In discretionary expenses, the loss
new management – technological cultural manager and activist linked was somewhere around R$ 70 to 80
updating, restructuring and to the Green Party (pv) assumed the million in the last four years. In the
modernization of collections, presidency of the National Historical transition of government, the new
insertion into the new global order: and Artistic Heritage Institute (Iphan) government recomposed the values
what are your priorities? on January 10th. Grass had been part that were practiced in 2016.
We will act on two main fronts: the of President Lula’s Transition Group,
restructuring of the Institute and the coordinating the Regional Development What will be the investment
resumption of social participation Technical Group. priorities in your management?
in public policies. Some of the Grass’s mission is complex: to restore There is a large set of action plans
restructuring challenges are valuing the capacity of the Brazilian State to act that are being prepared in each
the professional staff, reviewing the in the protection of the national historic state, each region, and these actions
body’s organizational structure and heritage, a task that was vilified in every defined in their own locations will be
internal regulations, technological possible way during the government of the priority for allocating resources.
structuring and carrying out works Jair Bolsonaro during the last four years.
and implementing risk management Bolsonaro even exonerated in 2020 the You said that the heritage recovered
plans in the museum’s heritage. In then president of iphan, Kátia Bogéa, the budget it had in 2016. But, since
the context of social participation, at the request of an allied businessman. that time, a lot of new things have
existing participation mechanisms Grass gave the following interview to been incorporated, listed, Iphan
will be resumed and civil society’s arte!brasileiros: has grown a lot.
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